Amelia Ashton

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  Explain why you are happy if you believe there is no afterlife vs when you joined JW's

  by Bad_Wolf in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  one thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.

  now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.

  i was raised into it.

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  Amelia Ashton

  I was recruited in and it was the idea of no war and everyone living peacefully appealed to me rather than eternal life.
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  What would happen?

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a thrift store down the street is run by members of a small, local christian congregation.

  evangelical but not sure what religion they are affiliated with.

  they have set up the store as a non-profit and have a specific use for the funds they acquire.

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  They would be "counselled" against helping I suspect. If just helping can't be done on a local level in an area with a high refugee intake I doubt the powers that be would allow it unless it became part of the JW missionary programme and the society controlled how much money went there and what it was to be spent on.
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  Are YOU Shunned By JW Family or Friends?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  some who are not disfellowshipped are still shunned i also know there’ are disfellowshipped ones that family still associate with..

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  I am shunned but am not disfellowshiped but a friend who is disfellowshiped and from the same congregation is not shunned.
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  John 3:16 "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten Son" ...Really ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for four thousand years god never gave two hoots about the world of mankind that is suggested by john 3;16 and how do we know that ?

  simply by looking at his dealings with mankind for the first 4000 years of his dealings with humans as shown by the "old testament".

  1. god only dealt with a couple or a few individuals early on in the o.t.. 2.god only dealt with one family line whom he chose above anybody else .. 3.this family line the israelites became a nation whom god dealt with exclusively.. 4.to the exclusion of every other peoples on earth ,he favoured who became the israelites and he obviously had a hatred for any other people and was instrumental in trying to get the israelites to commit genocide on many occasions against these people who god had never taken an interest in .. 5.jehovah god on numerous occasions instructed the israelite`s/jews wipe out the amorite`s , the hittites ,the jebusite`s ,etc ,etc, and with the blessing of him not to feel sorry for them kill old man woman and child and do not feel sorry for them.. jehovah god actually gave the israelites /jews sanctions to commit genocide amongst these nations in the "old testament ".

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  For a God who is supposed to be impartial to race or colour he certainly encouraged a lot of smiting of people of particular heritage.
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  Concerned Parent

  by ConcernedParent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm writing for some advice from former jws.

  my family is christian, and my 15yo daughter is "dating" a jw boy.

  (the quotes are because they aren't old enough to actually go out on dates... they consider themselves bf/gf and have hung out and gone places with each other, but always with parents, family, etc.

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  My 15 year old daughter was dating a lovely 16 year old JW boy while I was JW myself and I was happy about the relationship as they were chaperoned by myself or were in a group of other JWs and were planning to get married once they were both baptised and she was 16 which was only a matter of weeks away but no rush.

  Even tho neither were baptised when the elders found out they still stepped in and threatened the lad with losing his goodstanding in the congregation and he would not be able to get baptised if he continued the relationship. The elders never even asked me how I felt but as a woman and raising my children alone my opinion would have been worth zilch anyway.

  He chose the religion over my daughter and she was heartbroken subsequently refused to go to meetings and my relationship with her broke down. (We are fine again now)

  I am still friends with her first love who is happily married to an elder's daughter and has 3 children he adores and he is a great dad........but he is JW. She had a lucky escape but we didn't see it at the time.

  I do think if you try and separate them you will have the opposite effect and any argument against the religion is likely to fall on deaf ears if she is in love and may even come across as nagging or point scoring against him.

  The boy should be able to articulate his intentions to you as her mother and if he is open to finding out the truth about his religion that might be your best course of action but if he choses your daughter he needs to understand he may lose everyone else in his life if he is disfellowshiped.

  As you are not JW your daughter converting is not the end of the world and she may see that a minimum 8 hours a month door knocking and 3 meetings a week not be that big a scarifice to be with her love. A mum constantly down on her boyfriend's religion tho might be too much for her to take.

  I was recruited in as an adult and back then I felt and believed forfeiting holidays like xmas etc and family was worth losing for the happiness I was promised but everything was a lie and fake, even their "love" was false.

  Hopefully the relationship will fizzle out but if she converts, gets married and has children try to ensure she always has you. It will make her escape easier.

  Feel free to PM me. X
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: shame and domination

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i want to suggest something that i've been ruminating on for a while now.

  that involves the possibility that when jehovah's witnesses look for "sheep-like ones" what they're actually looking for is this: those who will allow themselves to be dominated (get rid of things that god "hates," accept the movement's beliefs without protest, not check into the movement's history) and those who are willing to be shamed (letting jehovah's witnesses into their homes when doing so is looked down upon in secular society, talking with them on the street when everyone else avoids them).. i say this because from what i observed at the kingdom halls i attended in the course of gathering data for my research i saw:.

  -frequent shaming: jehovah's witnesses must do more to be acceptable to god, they are "good for nothing slaves," they are spared through armageddon by jehovah's "undeserved kindness," etc.

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  I am in a few political groups and being called a sheep is actually a derogatory term for people who don't think for themselves and allow themselves to be easily lead or just follow the crowd without doing their own research.
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  Anyone ever know gays in the hall that are lying to them selfs or others?

  by blownaway in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i know of three situations i saw myself.

  the first one was when i lived in arcadia.

  all the people i use names on are dead and gone so no probs.

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  We had an openly gay sister who every now and then disappearwd for a while, came back and did her penance at the back of the hall, got reinstated and then the cycle would happen all over again for her when she met someone else she liked and liked her back.

  One bother who married and had children but has since leaving "come out" and regained family members after they too woke up and is now enjoying being a grand father.

  Another brother who nobody believed was straight led a double life the best he could (I knew his boyfriend) and is still a witness as far as I know. I told him I had stopped going to meetings so he is shunning me now.
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  Film about a Jehovah's Witness with leukaemia

  by Amelia Ashton in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=83t1gmazgsm&feature=youtu.be#menu.

  a trailer for "the children act".

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  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=83t1gMAZGSM&feature=youtu.be#menu

  A trailer for "The Children Act"
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  NWT 1984 vs NWT 2013

  by Tallon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently had a discussion with a jw concerning a change in wording of a scripture - in fact this was my all time favourite scripture, namely, micah 6:8.. my view is that the wtbts have deliberately changed the wording and meaning of the said scripture.

  the other person is of the opinion that that is not the case.

  micah 6:8.

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  Micah 6:8 No loyalty mentioned in Strong's concordance
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  Not Being Invited To Gatherings.

  by kennylazo1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  have you ever found out that your "buddies" from the kingdom hall went out to have fun and did not invite you?

  if so how did you feel?.

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  Amelia Ashton

  Our KH was very cliquey. Us singles Mums never expected to be invited anywhere by the higher echelons of the congregation.

  About once a month I used to hold a Friday get together to watch a video and obviously children were welcome and it was suitable for them.

  I got counselled because no marrieds were ever there and I shouldn't be holding singles only get togethers. The marrieds were welcome too but were always busy, the singles who were never invited anywhere were always free.

  Another time there was a party for the children but the kids of the single parents weren't included because they couldn't invite all the children. 38 children in the congregation but the only 4 not invited were from single mums. They had room for 34 but not 38!

  Once there was a barbeque. 120 in the congregation but only space for 100. Yeah right!